Retailing Faux Pas

By Bill Bittner, President, BWH Consulting


We all have them – those encounters with a sales person that are permanently embedded in our memories. As I was hiking the other day, thinking about the approaching ski season, I recalled one that is a classic…


Several years ago, as a friend and I were coming off Killington Mountain in Vermont, we saw a “Big Ski Sale” sign posted on one of the shops on the main access road. My friend, Cathy, was a very good skier, probably in her early forties at the time, who spent most of her weekends at Killington in a Ski House she shared with several other hardcore skiers. She had been looking for new skis, so we stopped to see what was available.


As we entered the shop, a young salesman approached us. Cathy told him the brand, model, and length of ski she wanted. The salesman took us over to the ski rack and we looked around, but the proper ski was not available.


His reaction was to suggest a substitute with words to the effect, “I think you would like this pair.”


Cathy asked why he thought she might like the substitute and his response (no kidding) was, “It is the kind of ski my mother would like.”


Managing to keep her cool, Cathy asked, “What makes you think I would like the kind of ski your mother would?”


His response: “It must be the pink jump suit you’re wearing.”


Needless to say we didn’t buy anything.


Moderator’s Comment: Share your favorite recollection of an encounter of the strange kind with a retail salesperson. What will it take for retailers
to improve customer service levels in their stores?


I just can’t imagine what this guy was thinking when he made those remarks. Maybe he figured that, because Cathy obviously knew what she was looking for,
the sale was already lost when the skis were not in stock. I hope that was the reason, because otherwise he was just plain stupid.


I don’t know what kind of training they give sales people in the ski shops, but it seems the first thing they should do is determine what type of skier
they are addressing. It is more important to understand how customers perceive themselves than what kind of skier they might be actually.


A few quick questions, like “How often do you ski?” and “What kind of trails do you ski?” would go a long way to help a salesperson make the appropriate
recommendation. They also have to know their product. Only then might they convince a skier to make a switch.

Bill Bittner – Moderator

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Jan Owens
Jan Owens
18 years ago

My service encounter complaints are from a source that you wouldn’t think would engender them: Neiman Marcus. In one incident, I diplomatically tried to get the attention of a cosmetics counter rep. She was obviously taking a personal social call, so I THOUGHT that if I moved more in her field of vision, she would excuse herself to wait on me. No, she actually turned her back on me and went on with her phone call! I decided to find the cosmetics elsewhere, even if I had to order online.

The second incident occurred while I was traveling, but stopped into a N-M after a business appointment about a half hour before the store’s closing. The store was quiet, and you can understand that the sales associates might try to tally and look through receipts before the end of the day. Apparently, one associate found some kind of error in receipts, and quietly (but audibly) said to herself, “Oh, sh*t.” Sorry, but I like to pretend that I shop at a classier store.

A more recent encounter at the cosmetics dept. was when I was looking for a bath set for a gift. The store didn’t have matching items in the line I originally wanted (i.e. lotion, bath oil or something, etc.), so I asked the sales associate for a suggestion for another cosmetics line. She suggested a brand at least twice as expensive. I expect that if I ask for a suggestion, the associate takes the cue of “something in the same price ballpark.” (And yes, there was, but I had to suggest it myself.)

On a brighter note, let me sing the praises of the fabulous Bernice of NM’s Men’s Department in Northbrook, IL, who has been an absolute pleasure to do business with — helpful, knowledgeable, not pushy, but always offers exactly what you need before you ask. She is now in delicate health, but there is a lot of truth in, “They don’t make them like that anymore.”

Lori Sudler
Lori Sudler
18 years ago

I am beginning to wonder if retailers will ever actually get it together in the customer service area. In my neighborhood, there is a certain home improvement store that always has absolutely everything I need when working on the house. The problem? It usually takes me about two hours to find all of the things that I need when I go there because their staff is so unhelpful. I constantly get the “that’s not my department answer” when seeking out help and I actually have had an employee run and hide when we made that all important eye contact and they knew I was headed their way for help.

I usually have about 20 hours a weekend to work on projects around the house and, if I have to spend two hours of that each time at the store, you are eating up 10% of my time.

Karen Kingsley
Karen Kingsley
18 years ago

I would like to both tell a story and build on Mark’s comments.

I was car shopping (a woman alone in a car dealership, you know this is going to be ugly). I will keep the story as short as possible, but in the time it took me to test drive one of two models I was deciding between, the salesman: 1) could not answer a single question about dimensions of the car and questioned my information when I told him; 2) wouldn’t let me park the car as he was “certain I wouldn’t do it right”; 3) answered every question about the higher-end model with, “That’s more expensive.” When asked how much more expensive, replied “More.” He told me I shouldn’t buy a stick shift as I would burn out the transmission. (In 30+ years of driving manuals, I have never had a transmission problem). He said I wasn’t as bad a driver as he expected me to be, and then refused to negotiate price at all until I went to other dealers. (That’s right…send customers to the competition.) So when he called me FOUR days later, not coincidentally after I had bought a car from another dealer, he expressed outrage that I never came back.

The interesting information for that dealer would not be to perform a customer satisfaction survey on those who bought cars from them, but those who did not. Customer satisfaction surveys are important; knowing why you lose customers is more important.

Mitch Kristofferson
Mitch Kristofferson
18 years ago

For all but the more extreme cases – and our leadoff ski salesman is certainly a great example – I think of management as the root cause for most of our retail experiences, whether they be very unpleasant or unbelievably positive.

An example of unbelievable service received on the positive side – I recently returned from a week-long retail conference in Tokyo. The level of service I received made all but the best service in the US seem barbaric by comparison. Being accustomed to having bags, food, etc. casually tossed in my direction after the sale, I nearly cried over what seemed like royal treatment everywhere I shopped or stayed. After I left my passport in the hotel lobby and went out shopping, the hotel called me on my cell phone to alert me to the fact that they were keeping it safe (this made the need to fill out a form upon check-in suddenly much more palatable). Cultural differences aside, it was obvious they take the business of retail and hospitality very seriously with good, active management leading the charge.

While there is always a retail sales person with the horrible personality, negative IQ, having a bad day, experiencing withdrawal from their favorite drug, and so on, most issues that exist point back to bad management or lack of a management presence at all. I’ve always believed that the reason chains with exemplary service unravel as they scale is as much about management growing weary of making it happen as it is about not finding the right talent.

Mark Lilien
Mark Lilien
18 years ago

Many retailers do not consistently measure customer service quality, so they can’t tell if it’s improving or not. The most common “method” is totally anecdotal, based on the few customer letters and phone calls received by the upper management. Or the upper management assumes that stores and zones with higher sales trends compared to last year have better service. The best companies either use shopping services or take customer surveys on a wide, consistent daily basis, all year round. For example, Border’s Books gives surveys to 45,000 shoppers a year, and rewards the responders with 15% off coupons. Burger King gives out a toll-free number with an automated phone survey, and rewards the responders with free food coupons. Mercedes used to survey every new car buyer after the sale, asking about the dealer’s performance. I’ve received customer surveys after I contacted the help desks for Canon and Kodak and HP. There’s an old saying, “If it isn’t measured it can’t be managed.”

Don Delzell
Don Delzell
18 years ago

Rather than share an anecdote, I’d like to share a dream. In this dream, a world exists where the management of service institutions create a culture where actual customer service is a given.

At the core of today’s service issues are the beliefs management has about what is and is not possible. If you really talk to them, you find that they’ve essentially given up. And it’s all about “them.” The employees just don’t have the communication skills, aren’t raised properly, have an entitlement expectation….etc.

I don’t want to live in that world. I want to live in a world where leaders create visions, take responsibility for culture growth and sustenance, and simply WILL things into being.

Executives at service companies take note: if you want to know what’s wrong with service at your company, start with the person in the mirror. Get passionate about your vision, and then make it happen. Stop making excuses.

Natalie Marsh
Natalie Marsh
18 years ago

I had the most remarkable and memorable customer service experience at a local discount store (part of a national chain). Let me preface with a bit of history – this store has been open in our community for about 15 years. I have been a customer there since the beginning (though with decreasing frequency…the “why” will become apparent in a moment).

I went in for a quick purchase (a small Rubbermaid style storage item). I found the item fairly quickly but noticed it was really dirty – as though it had been left out in the rain. Being frugal and in a hurry I decide to buy it anyway, knowing I could clean it up. I also picked up a blouse (on impulse, I admit).

When I approached the check out lanes I saw 2 were open but only one CSR was present. I approached the lane and the women looked me square in the eye, turned off her register light and turned her back without a word. I was stunned – but went to the other register and waited for several minutes. Finally, another CSR approached and asked if I needed something. I replied that I need to pay for my items and she proceeded to tell me that she was already off. When I asked about finding some help, an evening supervisor approached and sneered that the CSR should ring up my purchase and directed an unmistakably dirty look in my direction.

The CSR proceeded to literally wad up and stuff my new white blouse into the dirty bin. When I stopped her and asked for a bag, she told me they were out of bags. When I point out the rack of bags right next to her and asked if I could have one of those, she replied, “No, we are almost out of bags and trying to conserve them.” All this in front of the evening supervisor.

It has become increasingly apparent that this particular store has had real issues for awhile – not only with service (cleanliness, product availability, etc.) but this was the final straw for me. Needless to say, I am no longer a customer at this store.

This took place in a small city (about 50,000) comprised of very conservative and largely rural community members. How does one step in and correct the damage done when things have gotten this bad?

James Tenser
James Tenser
18 years ago

Maybe it’s time for a new book on customer service, “Tales Too Terrible to Tell.”

My personal “favorite” is the hotel night clerk that informs me upon a 1:00 AM arrival that he gave away my room, even though I had guaranteed it with a credit card and phoned ahead to inform that my flight was delayed. This has occurred three times that I can recollect. In each instance, the offered solution was a free room at an inferior hotel miles away in the suburbs – saving my company a few dollars, but leaving me with less sleep, less comfort, and a long commute to my meeting the following morning. This is an instance where the hotel’s ill-conceived policy works to defeat even the best intentions of its customer-facing employee.

Another winner from the lodging industry is the hotel customer “disloyalty” card program that cancels a customer’s account along with years of accumulated points after an 18-month period in which the customer did not stay with the chain. The behavioral change was caused by the travel policy of my then current employer, which had a contract with a different hotel chain. That free vacation I thought I had earned evaporated, and upon inquiry, the card program folk informed that they had no way of restoring my points, or even confirming how many I once had. Needless to say, I am now an active and vocal anti-advocate of this company.

Service providers must carefully examine their policies and practices to root out ways that they may be defeating their own interests and creating active disloyals. To the point made above, that requires measurement. Not just surveys on simple measures like overall satisfaction, but deep, qualitative inquiries that let customers tell you what’s right and wrong with your service delivery. For a large firm, even a 98% “excellent” satisfaction score may still leave tens of thousands of disappointed or angry ex-customers.

Carol Spieckerman
Carol Spieckerman
18 years ago

My favorite keeps happening . . . at my local health food store/chain. The pleasant-but-clueless checkers always ask, “So, did you find everything okay?”. . .(usually looking away/at the ceiling dreamily). Since the store is often out of stock on items I routinely buy, I’ve commented, “Actually, no” more than once, which I’ve realized elicits “…mmmm sorry” nine times out of ten. But my favorite was “Really? What were you looking for?” When I perked up at this unexpected inquiry and shared, the checker responded “hmmm. . .well, if it wasn’t out there, we probably don’t have it…sorry.” Priceless! Now that I’ve changed my response to, “No but it’s cool,” that really seems to agree with them.

Randall White
Randall White
18 years ago

For the last six years of his life, my partner of 13 years was rendered paraplegic as the result of cancer treatments. Other than the fact that he was a bit gaunt and could not walk, he was more normal than you and me. However, he was wheelchair-bound. I cannot begin to tell you how many times, when seeing him in his chair, retail and restaurant service professionals would either: 1) start talking loudly and slowly when addressing him, or 2) bypass him totally and ask me what he would like. I have subsequently noticed other wheelchair-bound customers being ignored by service personnel. Needless to say, today I get involved in, um… memorable ways when I encounter this business faux pas.

Yvonne Scott
Yvonne Scott
18 years ago

My most memorable experience came while shopping for a new car. My husband and I decided that we really wanted to get a specific model of car but were concerned about the price tag and whether we could afford it. We decided that if we could justify each of our concerns, we would buckle down and get the car. My husband was concerned with more of the “aesthetic” things – color, interior ergonomics, and, most importantly, the stereo. I, on the other hand, was interested in the engine, gas mileage, safety recall history, and roominess in the back seat as we were planning on having a family soon. Upon arriving at the car dealer, the salesperson who approached us asked us what model we were interested in. We expressed our desire without mentioning specific points. He began showing us the car and was careful to point out the engine capability, gas mileage, etc. to MY HUSBAND and the sun visor with the make up mirror and the flexible side mirrors that won’t break off when you hit something to ME. Needless to say, he received quite an earful from me on his sexist approach to selling (to the complete embarrassment of my husband). We not only didn’t buy this car from that dealership, but we chose to buy from a completely different carmaker. This happened almost 12 years ago and I still won’t even consider buying from this carmaker. They say that excellent customer service will keep a customer for life, but the reverse can be just as true!

Judy Feuerbach
Judy Feuerbach
18 years ago

My long term boyfriend and I decided to get married. Since we’d both been married before, we wanted a small, low key wedding. I hadn’t planned on wearing a traditional wedding dress but he wanted me to since he decided to wear a tux. This was two weeks before the wedding, necessitating a quick, off-the rack wedding dress. I stopped into a small bridal shop, explained the situation to the sales clerk, who directed me to an appropriate rack. I selected a dress that I liked. The clerk looked at the dress, looked critically at my figure and said, “Oh, honey *THAT* won’t fit you!” I asked if I could at least try it on. She agreed. The dress fit me, needing only very minor alterations. In the course of trying on the dress, the clerk provided me with a strapless bra and hoop slip for a wedding dress. When I gave her my bra size, she said, “Oh my! You *ARE* full of surprises!” I was so insulted. If it hadn’t been for the pending wedding date, I would have bought a dress elsewhere to deny the sales clerk the commission on the sale!

Warren Thayer
Warren Thayer
18 years ago

When my daughter was about 13, I used frequent flier miles to fly her to Japan so she could visit a friend there. I arranged for her to be met by someone when she got off the plane, and directed to where she could meet her friends. United Airlines told me it’d be $50 for this service, and I said fine. But try as they might, they couldn’t get the ticket to go through. After a full day of trying to figure out why the computer rejected the ticket, it turned out that Air Nippon, the partner airline, couldn’t understand why there should be a $50 fee “for something that is just the polite thing to do.” And they were refusing to accept the $50 charge, which was messing up United’s computers. My United rep repeated this story just as you see it. I still smile when I think about it.

Michael Tesler
Michael Tesler
18 years ago

Of course I advocate friendly, informed, empowered employees who always exceed customer expectations but I believe the real issue is that too many stores define this as “Customer Service”… enough said, difficult task completed. This is not the case and customer service today needs a broader definition; one that includes a web site that makes it easy for people to pre shop the store, and then a store that makes it easy to find the desired product and that those products are always in stock. This store know what questions customers are likely to have and what information they need to make a purchase and provides it to them through attractive, branded, non verbal communications (signage, graphics, video, kiosks, etc.). Many of the problems that have been brought to this discussion could have been avoided if the stores had provided this kind of service – including the ski shop incident…..she may have quickly found out on her own that the ski’s she wanted were out of stock or not carried but also been given a suggestion on a computer or a sign that such and such a model performs similarly.

Richard Layman
Richard Layman
18 years ago

To me, there is what I think of as a pathetic op-ed in the current issue of Restaurant Hospitality. It’s written by a part-time broadcaster with waiting experience, and it’s all about how waiters need to be focused on guests if they want to make money.

I wait tables. The first time I did it, my very first shift, when I was 17 years old, I figured out that I worked for the guest, because most of my money came from tips.

I thought this was a pathetic piece for two, maybe three reasons. (1) Clearly, there is a management failure both in terms of hiring and training. (2) Probably the waiters aren’t making much money, which is another management failure in not recognizing that income significantly influences motivation.

Because restaurants pay reduced wages to wait staff, they aren’t too concerned about over-scheduling and waiting income. Then they turn around and wonder about high turnover.

I have repeated in messages on this forum about the book entitled, “The Customer Comes Second,” which makes the point that if you treat your staff poorly, you can’t expect your staff to treat customers well.

Cutting margins on everything, including training, and employee wage income can only continue to reduce the “margins” of customer quality.

At least that affords me a competitive opportunity in the retail ventures that I am involved with.

Tom McGoldrick
Tom McGoldrick
18 years ago

There is no reason for bad service to be tolerated or to go unnoticed by management. It is too easy to survey customers and simply practice management by walking around to learn what is going on.

As an organization that receives over 4,000 completed surveys every day, I get to read more than my share of service horror stories. When a customer is truly outraged, it is usually about service. Conversely, the vast majority of people who go through the trouble to leave a positive comment are describing a positive service experience.

People providing great service create customer loyalty. A surly or bad sales person is as big a problem as a power outage or inventory shortage but almost never is treated with the same sense of urgency. Unfortunately, front line managers rarely have the authority or training to recognize and deal with bad service.

Richard J. George, Ph.D.
Richard J. George, Ph.D.
18 years ago

How many times have you approached an associate in a retail environment seeking assistance, such as, “Where is the artificial sweetener?,” only to receive a reply like “aisle 5” or “I don’t know”?

This is symptomatic of a larger problem. Retailers like this do not view the customer as the reason for existing. In retail settings like this, the customer is more than likely viewed as an interruption of work rather than the purpose of work. Likewise, such retailers don’t develop a sense of culture, let alone invest in employee training and development.

We do not have a crisis of employees when it comes to customer service. We have a crisis of management.

By the way, when the associate replies, “I don’t know” when you ask a legitimate question, don’t let him off the hook. Instead of wandering away in search of the artificial sweeteners, ask him “when he thinks he will know their location.”

Part of the problem of woeful customer service is that we as customers enable it rather than express our dissatisfaction.

Joe Delaney
Joe Delaney
18 years ago

One issue is that Good Customer Service appears to be defined by retailers as: 1) Greeting the customer; 2) Responding to the customer; 3) Using the customer’s name wherever possible; and 4) Capturing add-on sales. The sad reality is that Customer Service is the genuine, sincere act of 1 through 3 above as a part of responding to each customer’s questions and needs. It is the sincere and genuine part of this that really makes the difference between customer service and good customer service. I prefer not to be waited on by automatons whose service is presented to merely meet their company’s minimum job requirements.

Having managed stores for two retailers over almost 20 years, good customer service is possible if you hire the right people; treat them in a way that would make Tom Peters proud; inculcate a retail philosophy to them; manage the store, not by handling papers in an office but rather using MTWA – Managing Through Walking Around; set the example as managers of what customer service is all about; and use that apparently forgotten process of follow up. Good Customer Service isn’t work – it is the application of a service philosophy, be it corporately or store level driven.

It is not rocket science – it is just a direct function of good management and leadership.

Sid Raisch
Sid Raisch
18 years ago

A great many customer service issues would be entirely erased with good basic sales training by good professional sales trainers. No professional salesperson would assume anything about their prospect or customer. They might take cues from appearance, words used, etc. but would always continue to ask the questions they know they should to fully determine the customer’s situation rather than to confirm assumptions. They would then analyze what they’d learned, comparing it to their product knowledge, inventory, etc. to make a truthful, educated recommendations or suggestions for the customer to decide. At that time, they would close the sale by asking the customer if they agreed that it was right for them, or had other buying criteria (objections) that should continue to be addressed. BUT, too many companies fail to understand what professional selling is, and fail to invest in their people accordingly. Makes you think that sales training companies should be better at selling their own product, doesn’t it? Therefore, I say that lack of training salespeople is the root of most “customer service” faux pas.

Matt Roher
Matt Roher
18 years ago

Even though I’m not directly in a customer service field, I always keep my sales/CSR bible close at hand: Jeffrey Gittomer’s “Customer Satisfaction is Worthless: Customer Loyalty is Priceless.” (It’s on Amazon for $19.80.) I’ve even found myself sending a complimentary copy to the executive overseeing the CSR lines (if the service is that bad, I see it as bad management and bad training and not as bad staff). I’ll send the book and attach a quick note suggesting they take a few minutes to read some passages and how they relate to a concatenated preview of the horror story I just encountered from speaking to one of the CSRs under his/her domain.

One of his best tips I’ve used in management: Be your own customer. If overseeing a call centre, call in randomly and pose as a customer with a few questions. Be a Mystery Shopper in your own store or restaurant. Gittomer recants a tale of staying at a full service hotel, receiving no service, only to be greeted by a card placed on his pillow from the hotel’s GM indicating that the hotel takes pride in exceeding all customer expectations and inviting all customers to contact the GM for any needs. When Gittomer followed up with the hotel GM and asked when the last time he ever stayed in his own hotel was, and the answer was (to the effect of) “Oh…I’ve never stayed here!”

Personally, I’ve found it’s the sort of book that you want all your staff to buy and read, and hope like crazy that none of your competition does.

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