Amazon has a Prime number problem

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Jul 31, 2014

Amazon.com has a problem with its hugely successful Prime membership program — namely that the program is hugely successful. The e-tailing giant recently raised the price of the annual subscription program, which offers free two-day delivery service to members along with other perks, from $79 to $99. But Prime is an expensive program to run and now Amazon is offering credits to wait longer for their deliveries.

According to CNET, Amazon is now offering a $1 credit toward an Amazon Instant Video for Prime members willing to wait five to seven days to receive their shipment instead of the typical two.

Last week, Amazon reported a loss of $126 million for its second quarter, more than offsetting its profit of $108 million during its first quarter.

Does Amazon’s $1 credit for slower deliveries suggest problems with its Prime service? Will the pressure on the company following its second quarter loss lead to cuts in Prime services or other areas?

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Bob Phibbs
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Seriously, a buck credit for an instant video? Half-hearted at best. Stockholders have been willing to ride the Amazon train—devoid of profits—based on the big payoff. Until Bezos is gone, they’ll keep flushing money into the hope that it will pay off.

Paula Rosenblum
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Amazon has a business model problem, I think, not just a Prime problem.

The core of the problem is their almost infinite assortment, which requires the company to figure out A.) which products to keep in which DC, and B.) what sizes of shipping boxes to keep in each DC.

Because it is virtually impossible to calculate what’s going to be in any given order (patented demand forecast engine notwithstanding), it is always going to be hard to get shipment synergies. The company just ships too much air, or occasionally over-packs boxes (cat food buyers beware!).

As much as it saddens me as a customer, I think the company has to do something to mitigate its shipping costs. Drones aren’t going to help. 3-D printing won’t do much. It’s a pure logistics problem, and it’s not easy to fix. Having set the bar on low prices and free shipping, the company is in a tough spot. And investors are getting impatient.

Cathy Hotka
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Paula’s right. Amazon is in the very difficult situation of promising speedy delivery of almost anything, to anywhere. And while its past successes are legendary (order on Saturday and receive on Sunday? Really?) it’s hard to imagine that Amazon can continue to scale at the rate it has been.

Ken Lonyai
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This is clearly a chink in the armor. It’s completely counter to the Prime program and against UX. Recently I came upon “add-on” items at Amazon, something I had never seen before. Free shipping going from $25 to $35, a higher Prime membership rate, add-ons, slower Prime delivery, etc., seem to indicate that the business model is not as infallible as many believe. For me it all harks back to the dot-com bubble days, when huge losses for customer acquisition were acceptable, until, well—you know.

Certainly I don’t believe Amazon is in danger of serious troubles, but I do think it may have to give a little and probably reign back some of its more ambitious undertakings to focus more on core profitability, while it keeps its customer promise and identity.

Dan Raftery
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The new 800-pound gorilla is smashing traditions left and right as it forges its own path through the retail forest. So what if it makes a few mistakes? As long as they are seen quickly and fixed, Amazon can keep ploughing forward, fueled by the strength of its sales.

Keith Anderson
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As it turns out, this is not breaking news—nearly three years ago, Amazon began offering shoppers more say in the economic trade-offs inherent in balancing convenience and profitability. Even then, I viewed this choice offered to consumers as a good thing. Those willing to wait are incentivized, and those unwilling to wait get the same service they have always enjoyed. It isn’t a “cut in service,” it’s a pretty transparent offer that gives shoppers more choice. A more complicated version of this is playing out at multi-channel/omni-channel retailers like Walmart, which offers a growing number of options; ranging from online ordering from an expanded assortment shipped to a store (no charge), to online ordering from in-store inventory for same-day pick-up (no charge), to delivery of online orders from stores (a charge). Besides the logistical complexity, communicating these options simply and clearly is a real challenge. But back to Amazon. Yes, Amazon recently raised the price of Prime membership (like the membership warehouse clubs have done many times). And they continue to iterate at the margins at breakneck pace, both in how they approach shoppers (as in this case) and especially in how they engage their suppliers. But Prime is one… Read more »
Bill Davis
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A $1 video credit isn’t enough of an incentive to delay shipping of products from two days to five-plus. While Prime may be contributing to the company’s challenges temporarily, it’s still a tremendous advantage in terms of attracting and retaining customers, so I still think it is of great benefit to the company.

Amazon is such a diversified company that what gets lost in this debate is the recent launch of their Fire Phone and the costs associated with this, as well as increasing competition in their cloud services business.

Both Fire and AWS impacted Q2 2014 earnings along with Prime and I am sure a few other things. For me, the bigger question is, can Amazon keep hitting on all cylinders with its focus spread across so many different areas?

gordon arnold
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2 years 24 days ago

This is just the beginning of the permanent effect from self-inflicted troubles. The costs for transportation are only going up making anything less than standard delivery a luxury for many, and the next logical step for Prime customers. When the tax man figures out how to collect without interference, e-commerce giants will be the first to pay, and pay twice as in slower business growth. Amazon will struggle with leadership learning curves through this, and could fall further and faster in market share position. What a mess.

Doug Garnett
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Once again we learn that there’s a huge market for free products and free services. But there isn’t much of a business model for these.

What’s funny is that subscription marketers have known this for years—knowing that the bigger the item you use to get a subscription, the shorter the retention time (In general).

It should concern Amazon shareholders that Amazon feels the need for some of the marketing that is usually reserved for last ditch efforts. Not that I think Amazon is in trouble; rather, they are making very poor choices at this time.

Naomi K. Shapiro
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Naomi K. Shapiro
2 years 24 days ago

My answer is: Peek, pique and peak. If customers peek at the fact that Amazon is offering a puny, I’d say insulting, credit to get people who signed up for a Prime service to accept less than Prime service, that would have me piqued, very piqued. That’s just not nice, to entice people to take out Amazon Prime membership, raise that rate not too long ago, and now try to cop out with an insulting offer to palliate its own internal management problems. Maybe Amazon has peaked as the online competitive leader, leading itself off the end of a cliff (or peak, as the case may be).

David Dorf
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Looks to me like pressure to reduce costs. Customers don’t always need their products in two days, so its a great idea to offer a kickback for slower shipping. I’m just not sure a $1 video credit is enough to entice customers.

jack crawford
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jack crawford
2 years 24 days ago

$1 credit is a joke-right? Considering their pricing, it must be.

Shep Hyken
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Amazon is always looking for ways to optimize, reduce costs, become more streamlined, etc. Asking customers to consider a discount for something that will save Amazon money is brilliant. Regardless of the reason why, it s a creative solution to saving the company money by offering the customer a discount. How much do they make (or save) every time they give a customer a dollar discount? (Rhetorical question.)

James Tenser
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A dollar in media credit doesn’t seem like enough incentive for Prime members to accept longer deliveries. It seems to clash with the personality and behavioral types who are willing to pay for the membership in the first place.

Of course, Amazon will have a trove of response data in a matter of weeks that may confirm its decision. If even a fraction of Prime members opt for the credit, the cost savings may justify the extra decision on each delivery.

Worth considering: Members who make the most frequent small purchases drive Amazon’s cost of free expedited shipping. Those folks have potential to accrue several dollars per month in credits under this “no rush” program. Maybe that’s motivation enough to move Amazon’s cost needle.

Lee Kent
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For my 2 cents, read Paula! ’nuff said!

Larry Negrich
BrainTrust

The $1 credit is a way they can reduce some costs by giving people who have Prime an option. There will always be a certain percentage of people who have flexibility. I don’t think this signals any seismic change to their business—they should be looking at all areas for ways to reduce costs and still meet customer expectations if they are to improve profitability.

But I can’t help wonder, if they do have a delivery bottleneck, why don’t they just use their much ballyhooed drone capabilities to alleviate delays? 🙂

Craig Sundstrom
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With all due respect to George, “the” problem is hinted at in his first sentence…and that problem is a persistent refusal to judge Amazon by normal metrics. So Prime is “hugely successful”—not just successful, it seems, but “hugely” so—but by what measure? Apparently by Amazon’s own measures (attracting customers, building scale, feeding the relentless public machine); but by normal measures—like making money—it seems to be a huge failure.

Peter Charness
BrainTrust

Interesting approach, which is to have a “prime paid in full” customer get a discount to not be so prime…What’s wrong with this picture? You pay annually to get prime benefits, and then (if you hadn’t noticed), you then pay a premium per item shipped to use the benefit of being prime, (as in a prime eligible product inevitably costs more than a marketplace product without the shipping costs added in). Maybe it’s a new economic model I just don’t get. Who knows I bet when you get that first drone delivery you will find that you can with frequent droner points get that package delivered free, but if you aren’t an “executive platinum” that first checked package costs even more. Might be easier to just head down the block and buy in-store after all.

Tim Caton
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Tim Caton
2 years 17 days ago

Most of the commenters in this article aren’t seeing the bigger picture. Amazon has almost single-handedly revolutionized the CPG business, and its influence is growing every day. Considering their cash flow, these are really small numbers being questioned.

The problem is that the Street is incapable of thinking big or long-term. If Bezos-and-team listened to conventional corporate wisdom, they’d have been relegated to also-ran or out of business fifteen years ago, and we’d all be stuck shopping at Walmart.

Amazon’s retail team is focused on the competition from Alibaba and friends, and rightfully so. A few bucks in shipping charges can always be solved. Losing millions of excruciatingly-loyal shoppers? Not so much.

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